Comments of Ukrainians on the plane crash. Bring them a bottle of Hawthorn: the Russians were explained with examples why Ukrainians do not grieve for their plane. Exercises in wit

Breakdown of morals: how Ukrainians react to the Tu-154 disaster. The crash of the plane of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which was heading for Syria, caused a mixed reaction from the Ukrainians. The country's top leadership has so far refrained from commenting, and the media and users of social networks are actively discussing the tragedy - and often in the most impartial way. The opinions of Ukrainian citizens and officials differ: some do not hide their gloating and call the tragedy "God's punishment", others bring flowers to the building of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine and condemn officials for being too rude and boorish statements. December 26 was declared a day of mourning in Russia in connection with the Tu-154 disaster in Sochi, in which 84 passengers and eight crew members died. International leaders expressed their condolences to Russia, people are bringing flowers and candles to the building of the Alexandrov ensemble, the Ostankino television center and the building of the Elizaveta Glinka Foundation. However, Ukrainian officials have not yet commented on the tragedy; for example, only a Catholic Christmas greeting has been posted on the website and Facebook account of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. Even a day after the tragedy over the Black Sea, there is not a word about the Russian plane crash. Ukrainian officials commenting on the situation in neutral tones are in the minority. “Whether it was a terrorist act or some kind of aircraft malfunction, I think it's too early to say. In any case, the only thing I do not like is the fact that, indeed, the Russian ambassador to Turkey recently died under all known circumstances - and today the plane. This may have certain consequences for the world community, ”said the head of the SBU Vasyl Hrytsak on the air of the 112 Ukraine TV channel. But the "balanced" statements of Ukrainian officials about the Tu-154 crash are rather an exception. Ukrainian officials, commenting on the tragedy over the Black Sea, do not hide their gloating. One of the most scandalous was the opinion of Yuri Biryukov, Poroshenko's adviser. link the death of a Russian military aircraft and another tragedy - the fatal poisoning of dozens of people in Irkutsk. On his Facebook page, the official wrote: “The plane of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the horde's embassy. Ukrainian parliamentarians also did not stand aside. The non-factional people's deputy, the country's representative in PACE Borislav Bereza admitted that he was “not happy and upset” because of the crash of a Russian plane. The official explained his position as follows: Tu-154 passengers “flew to entertain” the Russian military in Syria, who allegedly “destroyed infrastructure of Donbass ". “I am not happy about the fall of the Russian plane and the death of its passengers. But I'm not upset either. They flew to entertain and film the Russian military. It is quite possible that those who previously killed Ukrainians in Donbass, tortured our citizens, destroyed infrastructure, and then transferred to Syria, ”he wrote on his Facebook page. And the mayor of Dnipro (Dnipropetrovsk) and a close ally of the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, Boris Filatov, went even further. He rejoiced at the death of passengers on board the Tu-154, writing on Facebook that "instead of celebrating the liberation of Aleppo," the musicians and the military "will be in hell." Not everyone is gloating. It is noteworthy that many subscribers of Biryukov, Bereza and Filatov fully agree with their statements - the posts of Ukrainian politicians on Facebook have collected hundreds of comments. But there are those who express sympathy over the tragedy and accuse Ukrainian officials of inhumanity. In the comments under the post of Poroshenko's advisor, the user Petr Efimov reminded the Ukrainian official: “Dr. Liza, who died in a plane crash, founded the first hospice at the Oncological hospital. What did Biryukov do good for Ukraine? ”“ Disgrace, ”Andrey Zhbanov comments. - Only a moral monster and bastard can rejoice at the death of another person. This will definitely not be welcome anywhere in the world. " “Sane people will accept this with compassion, in a Christian way, and will not have a Sabbath on the bones. Unfortunately, Biryukov, you lack sanity, as well as Christian morality, ”concludes another subscriber. Some of Borislav Beryoza's subscribers, in response to his attack, doubted the mental health of the Ukrainian politician. “Make some idiotic assumption that“ it’s probably like this one flew there ”, and on the basis of your ridiculous idea, develop some schizotheory about the reasons for the lack of compassion ... You don’t have sympathy for the reasons given, you don’t have it simply because you are not mentally healthy, ”concluded the user under the nickname Dima Spb. “Borislav, you cannot hate the nation,” Igor Kievsky comments on the post of Bereza. - Imagine that Europe will know your reaction as the official representative of Ukraine in PACE. You spoke very short-sightedly. " Ukrainian officials were also accused of being “non-European” and “lost in cruelty”. Flowers are brought to the Russian embassy in Ukraine, lamps are lit and notes are left there. Many, including well-known Kievites, write words of condolences to the victims of the tragedy. “Ukrainians mourn together with Russians for those who died in a plane crash over the Black Sea. And this reaction, coming from a pure heart, best of all reflects the closeness of our peoples, demonstrates that the attempts of the representatives of the "war party" to provoke hostility, sow the seeds of discord and hatred were in vain. Ukrainians and Russians were, are and will always remain fraternal peoples. In such tragic moments, this becomes obvious. I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims. On my own behalf, on the Ukrainian Choice - the Right of the People Public Movement, on the millions of Ukrainians who today grieve over the irreparable loss, ”politician Viktor Medvedchuk wrote on Facebook. Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Spiridon Kilinkarov also expressed sympathy and condolences. “Tu-154. Tragedy, grief, irreparable loss - the sky has taken the talented, the sky has taken the best! Our condolences to the families and friends of the victims, ”he wrote on his Facebook. “A terrible tragedy near Sochi. Sincere condolences to family and friends, as well as to all Russians! Bright and eternal memory ... ", - adds ex-deputy Irina Berezhnaya.

Russian officials also reacted to the statements of Ukrainian officials. The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova pointed out that the reason for this reaction is the fact that “people supported by nationalists and radicals are in power in Ukraine.” “We do not understand the reasons why official Kiev is happy about the death of 80 servicemen ?! We understand these reasons very well and have been talking about them for a long time: people backed by nationalists and radicals came to power in Ukraine. That's all the reasons. Now not only we understand them, ”Zakharova wrote on her Facebook page. The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, also condemned the statements of Ukrainian officials. “But there are those who openly gloat over the death of innocent people. In Kiev, ordinary people carry flowers to the building of our diplomatic mission, and officials carry the Hawthorn. The goal of their vicious attacks is to unleash wars, destroy states, kill millions of people, ”he commented on Instagram. And the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the attack of the adviser Poroshenko, called him "a moral monster." “Advisor Poroshenko sneers… The souls of these moral monsters have long been poisoned by the“ hawthorn of Russophobia ”. Nothing sacred, "Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.

Significant events of recent times show an increase in mutual negative perceptions in relations between Ukrainians and Russians. Russian journalist Konstantin Eggert explained why Ukrainians do not sympathize with the Russians after the fall of the Tu-154. This was reported by the journalists of the "World News" section of the Internet edition for business people "Market Leader" with reference to Deutsche Welle.

In his publication, Russian journalist and TV presenter Konstantin Eggert states that there is also a virtual front in the Russian-Ukrainian war. Now Ukrainians on social networks rejoice at the fall of the Russian Ministry of Defense plane, which flew to Aleppo and crashed into the sea near Sochi. The Russians, in response, accuse their neighbors of mocking the victims. Meanwhile, a detailed examination of the situation and prerequisites allows us to understand why many Ukrainians cannot bring themselves to sympathize with the Russians.

Explaining their feelings, the Ukrainians say that they have no reason to grieve over the death of the passengers of the crashed Tu-154 plane. On board the plane were the military, the Alexandrov ensemble, heading for a concert for the Russian group in Syria. Also, the passengers on the plane were war correspondents from pro-Kremlin TV channels and even the philanthropist Elizaveta Glinka, also known to the public as Dr. Lisa. According to the Ukrainians, by her work on the territory of the “people's republics” of Donbass, Dr. Liza actually assisted in the legitimization of pro-Russian separatists.

The parties mutually accuse each other of immorality. At the same time, the Ukrainians say that before reading morals, the Russians should leave the Ukrainian territory. Disputes on social networks Facebook and Twitter are handled by a minority of the population of each country. Nevertheless, it is this insignificant part of an active society that seriously influences the formation and trends in public opinion.

Traditionally, Russian society for the most part is trying to push the conflict with Ukraine and what is happening in Syria to the periphery of consciousness. The Russians are trying in every possible way not to think about what is happening. From the point of view of the median Russian man in the street, Crimea has become "ours" forever, like the conditional Chelyabinsk or Altai, and nothing happens in Donbass. Also, the average Russian believes that something like a large-scale "counter-terrorist operation" is taking place in Syria, where the ground forces, only aviation, do not work, so there are almost no casualties among the Russian military.

Residents of Russia do not know anything and do not want to know about the carpet bombing of Aleppo by Russian aircraft. All the more, Russian citizens are not interested in the reaction to the bombing by the world community. The events of the sluggish "Donbass" war are not among the interests of the Russian man in the street. For Ukrainians, what is happening in Donbass is a part of everyday life. Ukrainian citizens sincerely cannot understand why the residents of Russia do not hear and understand them.

The Russians are hiding behind a wall of silence.

Only a few Russian public figures prefer not to pretend that nothing special is happening. They are trying to change the situation with their scandalous statements. After the fall of the Tu-154, Arkady Babchenko and Bozhena Rynska voiced their opinions about what happened. They deliberately violated the principle of not speaking badly about the dead. As a result, accusations of insulting the memory of the victims of the disaster rained down against them. Deputy Milonov even suggested selling the property of Babchenko and Rynskaya and transferring the proceeds to Dr. Lisa's fund, and depriving the activists of their citizenship and expelling them from the country.

Apparently, Babchenko and Rynskoy seem to be the only way to break the blockade of silence that hides the events in Ukraine and Syria from ordinary Russians. Meanwhile, many Ukrainians are beginning to perceive what is happening in the context of wartime morality. In this model, any problem of the adversary is perceived as a good event. Without difficulty, Ukrainians associate themselves with the inhabitants of Aleppo and see a kind of allies in the militants opposing Russia and Assad in Syria.

Russian society continues to live as usual with the conviction that the situation will gradually normalize by itself, and Ukrainians realize that Russians do not wish them harm. Russian citizens are convinced that in Syria, their military is fighting terrorists. Many Russians perceive the Syrians as terrorists or their supporters, or as second-class people who, in order to achieve victory, can not be spared or counted.

In this context, it should be recalled that during the beginning of the conflict with Ukraine, several mass anti-war actions took place in the Russian capital. The Syrian operation did not provoke a similar reaction in Russian society. Not a single more or less comparable in scale mass protest against the hostilities took place in Moscow. Modern Russian consciousness is split, as is often the case in such cases.

Often people want to be victors in war, but refuse to pay for the status of a winner with the lives of their compatriots. However, it is a mistake to expect that any war will be without casualties. Attempts to pretend that nothing is happening are often shattered by reality when a plane with the military falls or is killed by a diplomat's bullet. Such events are now taking place in Russian society.

On the contrary, Ukrainian society can be called completely whole. Public opinion of Ukraine constantly reminds its northern neighbors that they are waging 2 undeclared wars and the Ukrainians do not intend to yield to the aggressor. Even Russian critics of Kremlin policy are counting on a relatively early reconciliation with Ukraine. Ukrainians, meanwhile, just want their neighbors to lag behind them, along with their "brotherly love."

It is reported by ONLINE.UA.

"This is the most paradoxical paradox - the residents of the neighboring horde sincerely do not understand the reasons why we rejoice at the death of 80 servicemen of the horde army," said adviser to the President of Ukraine, volunteer Yuri Biryukov.

On his Facebook, he also wrote: “When the cadets of their artillery schools passed the shooting tests, practicing the shelling of 72 and 79 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Horde rejoiced. The plane crashed down ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the horde's embassy. "

In turn, the journalist Ekaterina Roshuk spoke about the dissonance between the joy of Ukrainians and religious prohibitions.

"Today will be a srach, is it possible to rejoice in the deaths of Russian propagandists. There are sensible arguments that it is not worth it. According to religions, the adherence to which is declared by the majority of those who rejoice, this cannot be done. destructive actions, whether it be weapons or propaganda, our compatriots are dying, you wish death to the enemy, "she wrote.

A well-known Russian blogger and financier also posted his comment. Slava Rabinovich, who asked about the involvement of one of the victims, "Doctor Liza", in the kidnapping of children from Donetsk, where the fighting took place.

Also, a Russian journalist left his comment on this topic. Arkady Babchenko.

"The most interesting thing is that this discourse is possible only in Russia. In all other countries around the perimeter - and especially in Ukraine and now also partially in Syria - all this talk that" a terrible catastrophe "," they are just singers and the dancers "," none of them are personally to blame "," this is not possible "and other hypertrophied tolerance (actually, this is called" conformism ") - they simply will not understand. They simply will not understand everything," he said.

According to Babchenko, “no, they will not argue, nothing, they will just shrug their shoulders and step aside, not understanding why you are telling them that it is necessary to express condolences to the military transport board of the armed forces of the country, which is killing with these very armed forces. citizens of his homeland, where cemeteries are now growing by leaps and bounds. "

"Well, don't you explain to a person that a full-time employee of the Ministry of Defense of the occupation army, who was flying to give a concert in Aleppo, which was bombed only yesterday, with a song called" Polite People "- well, just this is his job, and what could he do, he is a forced man , ordered and flew, but in fact he is not to blame. That’s not to explain and that’s all. They will simply stop talking to you. So this reflection is possible only in Russia. For everyone else, these people are at least accomplices of war criminals. And that's all. And it is better, in fact, to already decide who they are for you. On which side you are, "he wrote on his Facebook.

In turn, the Crimean Tatar activist and blogger Ayder Muzhdabaev added in this regard: "Victims never grieve for losses in the troops of the aggressor."

“The fall of a military transport plane of the Ministry of Defense of the enemy cannot cause sincere sympathy among the victims, if they did not move in their minds. Russians, astonished at the reaction of Ukrainians, have probably forgotten Crimea and Donbass, "he suggested.

The blogger recalled: "There are 10 thousand dead from your army in Ukraine. Ten thousand. And millions of refugees. Millions. With relatives, friends, acquaintances, etc. With sincere - and deserved - contempt for the Russians, who turned out to be Cain's brothers."

"And also these highly humane Russians, probably, have forgotten that they themselves somehow do not particularly grieve for the victims of the Russian troops in Ukraine. And in Syria. Or these Russians simply do not want to think logically. Or they want to appear as some kind of global humanists. , but to be them, you need, at least, not to be victims of a specific war, victims at the hands of a specific country. The Ukrainians have become. At the hands of your country. Directly or indirectly - at your hands. The reaction of Russians, whose acquaintances have now died, so It is humanly natural, as is the reaction of Ukrainians, for whom these acquaintances of theirs are faceless despised enemies. Considering what has happened all these years, this is not surprising at all. Russians and Ukrainians are on opposite sides of the front. And it was not the Ukrainians who opened the front. And peacetime morality does not work in war. Difficult to understand? Russia is waging a war, Russians. Russia is waging a war. And again, slowly. Russia. Waging. War. This war is cruel and unfair in relation to its victims. The victims will not have compassion for you and will not have compassion with you. It's impossible. No way, "he summed up.

December 26 was declared a day of mourning in Russia in connection with the Tu-154 disaster in Sochi, which killed 84 passengers and eight crew members. International leaders expressed their condolences to Russia, people are bringing flowers and candles to the building of the Alexandrov ensemble, the Ostankino television center and the building of the Elizaveta Glinka Foundation.

However, Ukrainian officials have not yet commented on the tragedy.

For example, on the website and Facebook account of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, only a congratulation on Catholic Christmas is published. Even a day after the tragedy over the Black Sea, there is not a word about the crash of the Russian plane.

Ukrainian officials who comment on the situation in neutral tones are in the minority.

“Whether it was a terrorist act or some kind of aircraft malfunction, I think it's too early to say. In any case, the only thing I do not like is the fact that, indeed, the Russian ambassador to Turkey recently died under all known circumstances - and today the plane. This may have certain consequences for the world community, "- said the head of the SBU Vasily Hrytsak on the air of the 112 Ukraine TV channel.

But the "balanced" statements of Ukrainian officials about the Tu-154 crash are rather an exception.

Ukrainian officials, commenting on the tragedy over the Black Sea, do not hide their gloating.

One of the most scandalous was the opinion of Yuri Biryukov, Poroshenko's adviser.

He apparently decided to "witty" link the death of a Russian military plane and another tragedy - the fatal poisoning of dozens of people in Irkutsk. On his Facebook page, the official wrote: “The plane of the Russian Defense Ministry crashed ... There was only one desire - to take a bottle of Hawthorn to the horde's embassy.

Ukrainian parliamentarians did not stand aside either. The non-factional people's deputy, the country's representative in PACE, Borislav Bereza, admitted that he was "not happy and not upset" because of the crash of a Russian plane.

The official explained his position as follows: the passengers of the Tu-154 "flew to entertain" the Russian military in Syria, who allegedly "destroyed the infrastructure of Donbass."

“I am not happy about the fall of the Russian plane and the death of its passengers. But I'm not upset either. They flew to entertain and film the Russian military. It is quite possible that those who had previously killed Ukrainians in Donbass, tortured our citizens, destroyed infrastructure, and then transferred to Syria, ”he wrote on his Facebook page.

And the mayor of Dnipro (Dnipropetrovsk) and a close ally of the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, Boris Filatov, went even further. He rejoiced at the death of passengers on board the Tu-154, writing on Facebook that "instead of celebrating the liberation of Aleppo," the musicians and the military "will be in hell."

Not everyone gloats

It is noteworthy that many subscribers of Biryukov, Bereza and Filatov completely agree with their statements - the posts of Ukrainian politicians on Facebook have collected hundreds of comments. But there are also those who express sympathy for the tragedy and accuse Ukrainian officials of inhumanity.

In the comments under the post of Poroshenko's advisor, user Petr Efimov reminded the Ukrainian official:

“Dr. Liza, who died in a plane crash, founded the first hospice at the Oncological Hospital in Kiev in 1999. What did Biryukov do good for Ukraine? "

“A disgrace,” Andrey Zhbanov comments. - Only a moral monster and bastard can rejoice at the death of another person. This will definitely not be welcome anywhere in the world. "

“Sane people will accept this with compassion, in a Christian way, and will not have a Sabbath on the bones. Unfortunately, Biryukov, you lack sanity, as well as Christian morality, ”concludes another subscriber.

Some subscribers of Borislav Bereza, in response to his attack, questioned the mental health of the Ukrainian politician.

“To make some idiotic assumption that“ it’s probably like this one flew there, ”and based on your ridiculous conjecture, develop some schizotheory about the reasons for the lack of compassion. You don’t have sympathy for the reasons given, you don’t have it simply because you are not mentally healthy, ”concluded the user under the nickname Dima Spb.

“Borislav, you cannot hate the nation,” Igor Kievsky comments on the post of Bereza. - Imagine that Europe will know your reaction as the official representative of Ukraine in PACE. You spoke very short-sightedly. "

Ukrainian officials were also accused of being “non-European” and “lost in cruelty”.

Flowers are brought to the Russian embassy in Ukraine, lamps are lit and notes are left there. Many, including well-known Kievites, write words of condolences to the victims of the tragedy.

“Ukrainians mourn together with Russians for those who died in a plane crash over the Black Sea. And this reaction, coming from a pure heart, best of all reflects the closeness of our peoples, demonstrates that the attempts of the representatives of the "war party" to provoke hostility, sow the seeds of discord and hatred were in vain. Ukrainians and Russians were, are and will forever remain fraternal peoples. In such tragic moments, this becomes obvious. I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims. On my own behalf, on the Ukrainian Choice is the Right of the People Public Movement, on the millions of Ukrainians who today grieve over the irreparable loss, ”politician Viktor Medvedchuk wrote on Facebook.

Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Spiridon Kilinkarov also expressed sympathy and condolences.

"Tu-154. Tragedy, grief, irreparable loss - the sky has taken the talented, the sky has taken the best! Our condolences to the families and friends of the victims, ”he wrote on his Facebook.

“A terrible tragedy near Sochi. Sincere condolences to family and friends, as well as to all Russians! Bright and eternal memory ... ", - adds ex-deputy Irina Berezhnaya.

Russian officials also reacted to the statements of Ukrainian officials. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova pointed out that the reason for this reaction is the fact that "people supported by nationalists and radicals" are in power in Ukraine.

“We do not understand the reasons why official Kiev is happy about the death of 80 servicemen ?! We understand these reasons very well and have been talking about them for a long time: people supported by nationalists and radicals came to power in Ukraine. That's all the reasons. Now not only we understand them, ”Zakharova wrote on her Facebook page.

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, also condemned the statements of Ukrainian officials. “But there are those who openly gloat over the death of innocent people. In Kiev, ordinary people carry flowers to the building of our diplomatic mission, and officials carry the Hawthorn. The purpose of their vicious attacks is to unleash wars, destroy states, kill millions of people, ”he commented on Instagram.

And the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the attack of the adviser Poroshenko, called him "a moral monster."

“Advisor Poroshenko sneers… The souls of these moral monsters have long been poisoned by the“ hawthorn of Russophobia ”. Nothing sacred, "Rogozin wrote on his Twitter.